pis entre le déficit démografique, les problémes sociaux et les cadavres dans les placards, les russes sont pas près d'etre un alié économique fiable.

J'ai pas dit "là, maintenant, tout de suite, sur le sol mouillé, comme des chiens", non.
On construit l'Europe tranquilos depuis 50 ans, ça peut attendre encore 20-30 ans...
Mais à moyen-long terme, ça me brancherait bien...

Tout à fait!

Pareil! Une telle CEI, serait sans doute assez facile à intégrer à l'UE, sustout si on s'arrange pour qu'elle lui ressemble de plus en plus...

Moi je suis fou furieux à cette idée!
Il remonte dans mon estime,alors...


J'aime bien. On appelle ça "la preuve par l'absurde", non ?
Et si ils refusent, on pourra toujours leurs proposer les stages de survie en Guyane!

'faut voir.
Il y a 5 ans, à la fin de l'Ere Eltsine et la catastrophe économique de 1998, j'aurais pas cru que la Russie puisse se sortir la tête de l'eau aussi rapidement...
Or, elle semble aller plutôt mieux que pire.

..je réserve mon jugement a la fin de l'affaire Ioukos...

Tu sais, l'affaire Elf n'a pas empêché la France de faire partie de l'UE...

elle en était déjà membre.

Franchement, dans cette affaire, Poutine a toute ma sympathie. Il est juste en train de faire repasser sous le contrôle de l'Etat un secteur stratégique, contre des semi-mafieux qui voulaient le brader aux Américains. Imaginez qu'on ait filé Elf à un binôme Messier-Tapie il y a quinze ans en échange d'un euro symbolique, vous comprendrez le malaise du Kremlin aujourd'hui.


A part ça, désolé de vous l'apprendre, mais en Irak, ça ne va vraiment, mais alors vraiment pas bien :



Pour résumer : "A la demande générale, la conférence nationale irakienne sera remplacée par un séminaire intitulé Théorie et pratique des banques suisses, qui sera suivi, sous réserve, d'une conférence sur l'immobilier dans la région de Genève."

T.

sous le controle de l'étaT? c'est justement ce que je me demande.

Et la Suisse n'étant pas très éloignée de l'Autriche, ils pourront utiliser le même avion pour envoyer les policiers irakiens se faire former à l'étranger.

Entre l'état ou la mafia russe.... l'état ne me parait pas être un si mauvais choix.

Pour revenir au sujet, un petit texte de notre ami Robert Fisk. J'essaie actuellement de trouver tous ses excellents articles qu'il publie sur The Independent mais bon, la gratuite a aussi prix : recherche et patience. Si qq'un arrive a mettre la main sur ses derniers articles, je suis (et d'autres avec moi je pense) plus que preneur !

Pour l'instant, en voici deux, le premier etant :
http://www.counterpunch.org/fisk07192004.html

July 19, 2004
The Crisis of Information in Baghdad
Four Missiles, 14 Deaths

By ROBERT FISK
The Independent

This is how they like it. An American helicopter fires four missiles at a house in Fallujah. Fourteen people are killed, including women and children. Or so say the hospital authorities.

But no Western journalist dares to go to Fallujah. Video footage taken by local civilians shows only a hole in the ground, body parts under a grey blanket and an unnamed man shouting that young children were killed.

The US authorities say they know nothing about the air strike; indeed, they tell journalists to talk to the Iraqi Ministry of Defence--whose spokesman admits that he has "no clue what is going on".

And by the time, in early afternoon yesterday, that the American-appointed Iraqi Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi, said that he had given permission for the attack--even though US rules of engagement give him no such right--there had been car bombs in Tikrit in which two policemen died, one of Saddam's former generals was captured, and Fallujah became just another statistic, albeit a deeply disturbing one: this is the sixth air strike on the insurgent-held city in less than five weeks.

None of the six was independently reported. The dead were "terrorists", according to Mr Allawi's office. So were the doctors lying?

As in Afghanistan, so in Iraq. US air strikes are becoming "uncoverable", as the growing insurgencies across the two countries make more and more highways too dangerous for foreign correspondents. Senior US journalists claim that Washington is happy with this situation; bombing wedding parties and claiming the victims were terrorists--as has happened three times in a year--doesn't make good headlines. Reporters can't be blamed for not travelling--but they ought to make it clear that a Baghdad dateline gives no authenticity to their work. Fallujah is only 25 miles from Baghdad but it might as well be 2,500 miles away. Reports of its suffering could be written in Hull for all the reliability they convey.

Here, then, is the central crisis of information in Iraq just now. With journalists confined to Baghdad--several have not left their hotels for more than two weeks--a bomb-free day in the capital becomes a bomb-free day in Iraq. An improvement. Things might be getting better. But since most journalists don't tell their viewers and readers that they cannot travel--they certainly don't reveal that armed "security advisers" act as their protectors--they do not see the reality of cities such as Fallujah, Ramadi and Samara, which are now outside all government control. Indeed, US Marines are no longer allowed into the centre of Fallujah, which is now run by the Fallujah Brigade, made up of former Baathists and current insurgents. The Independent does not use security advisers in Iraq, armed or otherwise.

So what happened in Fallujah? The US attack on the house at 2am yesterday turned the building into a pit of earth in which small bomb fragments and arms and legs were found. Locals described the building as the home of poor people. Angry crowds of men cried "God is Great" at the site. And then an official in Mr Allawi's office announced that "the multinational forces [ie the Americans] asked Prime Minister Allawi for permission to launch strikes on some specific places where terrorists were hiding and Allawi gave his permission."

Precisely the same formula was used by Iraqi authorities 84 years ago when RAF aircraft made "precise" attacks on Iraqi towns and villages supposedly sheltering insurgents opposed to British occupation. Ironically, one of the US bases near Fallujah currently under constant nightly attack by Iraqi gunmen is Habbaniya--the very air base from which British bi-planes had staged their air strikes.

On an Islamist website--and, in truth, no one knows who controls it--Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, one of Osama bin Laden's junior fighters, claimed that Saturday's suicide attacks on the Iraqi Justice Minister and a military recruitment centre in Mohammediya, which killed a total of eight Iraqis, were his work. The US military blamed the bombings on "people who want to stop the progress of democracy in this country"--which is an odd way of describing an organisation that allegedly wants to destroy not just the US-appointed government here but the United States itself.

The capture in Tikrit of General Sufian Maher Hassan of Saddam's Republican Guard was being portrayed as another success by the US army. However, since General Hassan was in charge of the defence of Baghdad in 2003 and is mockingly regarded as the man who turned a potential Stalingrad into one of the easiest American military victories of modern times--which is not exactly correct, but that is another story--his capture is not going to change the deteriorating security crisis in Iraq.

With ghoulish relish, meanwhile, Saudi Wahabists posted the execution of an American captive in Saudi Arabia on a website. The pictures showed a man in a white apron sawing at the neck and vertebrae of John Palmer before eventually placing his severed head on the back of his torso.

Given such gruesome proof of Western vulnerability, it's no surprise that journalists in Iraq--where similar videos have been made--want to avoid the same fate. But it's not just the killers who want to keep the reporters indoors.

Robert Fisk is a reporter for The Independent and author of Pity the Nation. He is also a contributor to CounterPunch's hot new book, The Politics of Anti-Semitism.



et voici le second :

http://www.counterpunch.org/fisk07032004.html

Weekend Edition
July 3 / 4, 2004
"We Don't Trust You Guys"
Pentagon Tried to Censor Saddam's Hearing

By ROBERT FISK
The Independent

Baghdad

A team of US military officers acted as censors over all coverage of the hearings of Saddam Hussein and his henchmen on Thursday, destroying videotape of Saddam in chains and deleting the entire recorded legal submissions of 11 senior members of his former regime.

A US network cameraman who demanded the return of his tapes, which contained audios of the hearings, said he was told by a US officer: "No. They belong to us now. And anyway, we don't trust you guys."

According to American journalists present at the 30-minute hearing of Saddam and 11 former ministers at Baghdad airport, an American admiral in civilian clothes told camera crews that the judge had demanded that there should be no sound recording of the initial hearing. He ordered crews to unplug their sound wires. Several of the six crews present pretended to obey the instruction. "We learnt later," one of them said, "that the judge didn't order us to turn off our sound. The Americans lied--it was they who wanted no sound. The judge wanted sound and pictures."

Initially, crews were told that a US Department of Defence camera crew would provide the sound for their silent tapes. But when CNN and CBS crews went to the former occupation authority headquarters--now the US embassy-- they found that three US officers ordered the censorship of tape which showed Saddam being led into the courtroom with a chain round his waist which was connected to handcuffs round his wrists. The Americans gave no reason for this censorship.

"They were rude and they didn't care," another American television crew member said. "They were running the show. The Americans decided what the world could and could not see of this trial--and it was meant to be an Iraqi trial. There was a British official in the courtroom whom we were not allowed to take pictures of. The other men were US troops who had been ordered to wear ordinary clothes so that they were 'civilians' in the court."

Three US officers viewed the tapes taken by two CNN cameras, 'Al-Djezaira' (a local, American-funded Iraqi channel), and the US government. "Fortunately, they were lazy and they didn't check all the tapes properly so we got our 'audio' through in the satellite to London," one of the crew members told The Independent yesterday. "I had pretended to unplug the sound from the camera but the man who claimed he was a US admiral didn't understand cameras and we were able to record sound. The American censors at the embassy were inattentive--that's how we got the sound out."

The only thing the Americans managed to censor from most of the tapes was Saddam's comment that "this is theatre--Bush is the real criminal."

Television stations throughout the world were astonished yesterday when the first tapes of Saddam's trial arrived without sound and have still not been informed that the Americans censored the material. "What can we do when an American official tells us the judge doesn't want sound--and then we find out that they lied and the judge does want the sound?" an American camera operator asked.

Video showed the face--and audiotape revealed the voice--of Judge Raid Juhi, whose name was widely reported in the Arab press yesterday. According to the camera crews, Judge Juhi wanted the world to hear Saddam's voice. Nevertheless the Americans erased the entire audiotape of the hearings of the 11 former Saddam ministers, including that of Tariq Aziz, the former deputy prime minister, and "Chemical" Ali, Saddam's cousin accused of gassing the Kurds at Halabja. The US Department of Defence tape of their hearings has been taken by the US authorities so there is now no technical record of the words of these 11 men, save for the notebooks of "pool" reporters--four Americans and two Iraqis--who were present.

Judge Juhi said not long ago that "I have no secrets--a judge must not be ashamed of the decisions he takes."

The Americans apparently think differently.

Robert Fisk is a reporter for The Independent and author of Pity the Nation. He is also a contributor to CounterPunch's hot new book, The Politics of Anti-Semitism.


-> vous connaissez The Politics of Anti-Semitism vous ? Je suis gentil, je vous en mets un resume ici (mais bon j'ai pas lu la betem alors je peux po dire !) :
The Politics of Anti-Semitism, edited by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair, explores how the charge of "anti-semitism" is used to silence any criticism of the actions of the state of Israel. It features essays by Edward Said, Robert Fisk, Uri Avnery, Norman Finkelstein, Michael Neumann, Alexander Cockburn, Jeffrey St. Clair and many others. Available to CounterPunchers for $11.50, including shipping and handling.

Sacre Independent tout de meme : Fisk met tout en ligne (ou si ce n'est pas tout c'est beaucoup !), gratuitement, sur son propre site :
http://www.robert-fisk.com/

Allez, un chtit exemple pour la route :

Unreported war: US document reveals scale of conflict

By Robert Fisk in Baghdad - 29 July 2004

http://www.k1m.com/antiwarblog/archives/000113.html

Iraq, we are told by Mr Blair, is safer. It is not. US military reports clearly show much of the violence in Iraq is not revealed to journalists, and thus goes largely unreported. This account of the insurgency across Iraq over three days last week provides astonishing proof that Iraq under its new, American-appointed Prime Minister, has grown more dangerous and violent.

But even this is only a partial record of events. US casualties and dozens of Iraqi civilian deaths each day are not included in the reports. But here are the events, as recorded by the United States military on 20, 22 and 23 July. Few were publicly disclosed.

20 July Baghdad

A US aircraft was attacked by a surface-to-air missile over Baghdad airport. An improvised explosive device detonated under a bridge near al-Bayieh fire station. A second bomb exploded when the "Facility Protection Service" arrived. In other areas, there were four bombings, three RPG assaults and six gun attacks, almost all on US forces.

North of Baghdad

A civilian supply convoy was attacked at Samarra. A bomb exploded on a bus in Baquba, killing six. A mine went off in Balad. A US convoy was attacked with RPGs and gunfiree at Salman Pak. There were roadside bombings of US forces at Mandali, Samarra, Baquba, Duluiya and Muqdadiyeh, and three grenade attacks (at Tikrit, Samarra and Kirkuk, with shootings at Muqdadiyeh, Balad, Hawija, Samarra, Tikrit and Khalis.

West of Baghdad

An American foot patrol set off a landmine at Khalidiya. A civilian tractor hit a mine at Hit. There was an RPG attack on a school in Karmah. Roadside and other bombs also detonated in Fallujah, Hit, Ramadi and Qaim. There were also attacks on US troops at Hit, Karmah, Saqlawiyeh and Ramadi.

South of Baghdad

International troops discovered two 107mm rockets aimed at the house of the governor of Diwakineh, and a roadside bomb detonated near Iskanderiyeh. In Basra, the city council co-ordinator and his three bodyguards were killed near a police checkpoint by three men in police uniform.

22 July Baghdad

Two roadside bombs exploded next to a van and a Mercedes in separate areas of Baghdad, killing four civilians. A gunman in a Toyota opened fire on a police checkpoint and escaped. Police wounded three gunmen at a checkpoint and arrested four men suspected of attempted murder. Seven more roadside bombs exploded in Baghdad and gunmen twice attacked US troops.

North of Baghdad

Police dismantled a car bomb in Mosul and gunmen attacked the Western driver of a gravel truck at Tell Afar). There were three roadside bombings and a rocket attack on US troops in Mosul and another gun attack on US forces near Tell Afar. At Taji, a civilian vehicle collided with a US military vehicle, killing six civilians and injuring seven others. At Bayji, a US vehicle hit a landmine. The Americans said gunmen murdered a dentist in at the Ad Dwar hospital. There were 17 roadside bomb explosions against US forces in Taji, Baquba, Baqua, Jalula, Tikrit, Paliwoda, Balad, Samarra and Duluiyeh, with attacks by gunmen on US troops in Tikrit and Balad. A headless body in an orange jump-suit was found in the Tigris; believed to be Bulgarian hostage, Ivalyo Kepov. Kirkuk air base, used by US forces, attacked.

West of Baghdad

Five roadside bombs on US forces in Rutbah, Kalso and Ramadi. Gunmen attacked Americans in Fallujah and Ramadi.

South of Baghdad

The police chief of Najaf was abducted. Two civilian contractors were attacked by gunmen at Haswah. A roadside bomb exploded near Kerbala and Hillah. International forces were attacked by gunmen at Al Qurnah.

23 July Baghdad

A US military convoy was mortared and a grenade thrown. There were seven roadside bomb attacks and five gun attacks on US forces.

North of Baghdad

A man threw a grenade at a US convoy at Tell Afar. Two gunmen killed an officer in the new Iraqi Army in Mosul. American troops also came under RPG fire in Mosul. Gunmen attacked a convoy of western mercenaries south of Samarra, a civilian convoy was attacked at Baquba. A former Iraqi army officer, former Major-General Salim Blaish died in a drive- by shooting in Mosul. Americans detained two men who had fired a rocket from a truck in Balad. There were three roadside bomb attacks on Americans in Baquba, Balad and an RPG attack at Kirkuk.

West of Baghdad

A roadside bomb against US forces at Rutbah. Gunmen also attacked the Americans in Khalidiyeh and Fallujah.

South of Baghdad

The Mussayib power station was mortared and roadside bombs exploded at Iskanderiyeh and Mussayib.

Tout va bien à l'OTAN, suite :



En clair, on a gagné un mois et demi. Faudra inventer autre chose mi-septembre, par contre. Si vous avez des idées, envoyez-les à l'Elysée, je suis sûr qu'elles seront les bienvenues...

T.

le pire c'est que si Kerry gagne, on pourrat pas refuser parce qu'il le demanderas poliment.

Ca ne va pas faire les affaires du tourisme autrichien, tout ça

tout va bine l'otan : http://www.lemonde.fr/txt/article/0,1-0 ... 931,0.html

qui veux investir?

Puisqu'on en est à parler de l'Ukraine et des Ukrainiens,



Bon, ils ne sont pas encore partis et ils ne partiront peut-être pas, mais visiblement, ils y pensent.

T.

et la c'est pas quelques pékins qui fond de la figuration, mais un vrais contigent.

Ce n'est pas lui qui gère ce site, même s'il a du leur donner sa bénédiction bien sûr.

On peut trouver certains de ses papiers sur www.truthout.org (utiliser la fct de recherche) et www.zmag.org (plus rare).

Sur les coauteurs de "Politics of Anti-Semitism" :
- Edward Said était bien sûr hyper connu
- Uri Avnery pond un article par semaine sur http://www.gush-shalom.org/english/index.html , la plupart du temps traduits en français sur www.solidarite-palestine.org (apparemment inaccessible au moment où j'écris)
- on peut voir qui est Norman Finkelstein sur www.normanfinkelstein.com



Vazkor

Alors, t'es sûr que tu préfèrerais pas la victoire de Bush, finalement ?

Vazkor