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| Auteur : | mad [ Sam 17 Sep 2005, 18:12 ] |
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Bon, bientôt les elections législatives dans l'autre pays ou tout va bien, des pronostics? |
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| Auteur : | Kaïri [ Dim 18 Sep 2005, 11:06 ] |
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6000 candidats, waouh .... Ben dis donc ça va être long à éplucher les programmes. |
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| Auteur : | mad [ Dim 18 Sep 2005, 11:42 ] |
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je suputte que le vote sera surtout Ethnique, clientéliste et Tribal . |
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| Auteur : | wizard [ Lun 19 Sep 2005, 23:43 ] |
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Anonymous a écrit Y aura-t-il un courageux pour nous en faire un résumé ? Vous avez jusqu'à demain 18h pour écouter le résumé qu'il en fait lui même dans Charivari sur France Inter : http://www.radiofrance.fr/chaines/franc ... charivari/
T. après l'enregistrement dégagera. Son intervention commence à la 7ième minute et se termine à la 35ième... 28 minutes de concentré d'Alexandre Adler. C'est pas du bonheur ça ? Ceci dit, même si je désapprouve le propos du bouquin, Adler commence bien son intervention en rappelant qu'Huntington est un idéologue raciste doublé d'un criminel de guerre et même si par la suite il marche dans les pas d'Huntington concernant l'islam tout en prétendant s'en démarquer, c'est un rappel qui a le mérite d'exister. |
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| Auteur : | mad [ Mar 20 Sep 2005, 13:11 ] |
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Un petit florilège from : "the independent"!! Alors "petits" détournements de fonds entre amis : http://news.independent.co.uk/world/mid ... 313780.ece [pour ceux qui se poseraient la question 1Billion, ca fait un milliard.] et gros problémes dans le sud : http://news.independent.co.uk/world/mid ... 313846.ece http://news.independent.co.uk/world/mid ... 313848.ece Citer The day that Iraqi anger exploded in the face of the British occupiers
By Helen McCormack Published: 20 September 2005 The dramatic events began to unfold just before dawn yesterday, when two British nationals were detained by Iraqi authorities. It emerged later that they were British soldiers. Dressed in plain clothes - according to some they were wearing traditional Arab dress - the two men had been driving in an unmarked car when they arrived at a checkpoint in the city. In the confrontation that followed, shots were fired, and two Iraqi policemen were shot, one of whom later died. The Iraqi authorities blamed the men, reported to be undercover commandos, and arrested them. Mohammed al-Abadi, an official in the Basra governorate said that the two men had looked suspicious to police. "A policeman approached them and then one of these guys fired at him. Then the police managed to capture them," he said. "They refused to say what their mission was. They said they were British soldiers and [suggested they] ask their commander about their mission," he added. The Britons were taken to an Iraqi police station, with local officials saying they had been informed that the men were undercover soldiers wearing plainclothes. British military officials, both in London and Iraq, began to investigate the arrests. As a behind-the-scenes operation by British diplomats charged with negotiating a release for the soldiers started, tension spread across the city, where 8,500 British troops are based. A British army tank was surrounded. In a clear demonstration that the holding of the soldiers would not be tolerated, tanks moved quickly to encircle the police station. Amid the confusion, a crowd initially of about a dozen, which later swelled to hundreds, soon surrounded the tanks. Some said it was because the news had spread that British soldiers had been responsible for the death of an Iraqi policeman. One witness said Iraqis were driving through the streets with loudhailers demanding that the soldiers should be kept in the police station, and then jailed. Violence began to break out in the streets near to the prison. As tempers flared, rocks were thrown, and as tempers flared, the soldiers began to fear that they could no longer contain the situation. What looked like petrol bombs began to fly through the air, and television footage recorded one tank attempting to reverse away from the growing mob as the crowds around the tanks tightened their grip. Then, flames emerged from the top of one of the tanks. It remained unclear whether it was the vehicle itself on fire, or whether the flames were emerging from military equipment placed on the back of the tank. One soldier decided to jump. His uniform on fire, the television footage shows him attempting to make his escape, as the crowd pelts him with stones. Another soldier carrying a riot shield stood by the tank. Last night the condition of the soldier was not known. In the rioting that ensued, British control of the city, in the Shia-dominated south of Iraq, began to look seriously under threat. Two Iraqis were reported dead in the rioting, with 15 Iraqis reported injured, along with three British soldiers. Meanwhile, frantic negotiations continued to free the men, whose arrest had sent Basra into near anarchy within the space of less than two hours. Images of the men in captivity were available after television cameramen from Arab satellite broadcasters in the Persian Gulf were allowed in to the jail. Seated on the floor of what looked like a prison cell, their hands tied behind their backs, the men stared directly into the camera lens. Their clothes - plain T-shirts and chinos - were spattered with blood. One had a bandage wrapped around his head, the other also had a head injury, which had been dressed. The television commentary, in Arabic, identified them only as Britons. A provincial council spokesman for Basra, Nnadhim al-Jabari, confirmed that they were likely to go before an Iraqi court. Calm then descended on the city. In London, the Ministry of Defence would give no details about the talks aimed at securing the men, a spokesman saying only that they were continuing "to thrash out with Iraqi authorities what is happening and what can be done". Then, just before midday, a solution of sorts appeared to have been found. Reports coming out of Basra described how up to ten British tanks, possibly Challenger 2 Main Battle Tanks, possibly Warrior Infantry Fighting Vehicles, had stormed the jail where the two men were being held. Witnesses said that they had smashed down a wall to gain entry. The operation was said to be backed up by helicopters. The witnesses said that up to 150 prisoners took the opportunity to escape through the wall in the confusion. The British military action was condemned as "barbaric, savage and irresponsible" by Mohammed al-Waili, the governor of the province. "A British force of more than 10 tanks backed by helicopters attacked the central jail and destroyed it. This is an irresponsible act," the governor said. The Ministry of Defence in London confirmed that the soldiers had been released, but said that had been achieved by "negotiation". Its explanation is unlikely to assuage the anger on the streets of the southern Iraqi city, which has so far been relatively calm compared with the daily violence that has scarred much of the rest of the country. As an uneasy peace was maintained in the city last night, all the indications were that yesterday's violence could be repeated today. The dramatic events began to unfold just before dawn yesterday, when two British nationals were detained by Iraqi authorities. It emerged later that they were British soldiers. Dressed in plain clothes - according to some they were wearing traditional Arab dress - the two men had been driving in an unmarked car when they arrived at a checkpoint in the city. In the confrontation that followed, shots were fired, and two Iraqi policemen were shot, one of whom later died. The Iraqi authorities blamed the men, reported to be undercover commandos, and arrested them. Mohammed al-Abadi, an official in the Basra governorate said that the two men had looked suspicious to police. "A policeman approached them and then one of these guys fired at him. Then the police managed to capture them," he said. "They refused to say what their mission was. They said they were British soldiers and [suggested they] ask their commander about their mission," he added. The Britons were taken to an Iraqi police station, with local officials saying they had been informed that the men were undercover soldiers wearing plainclothes. British military officials, both in London and Iraq, began to investigate the arrests. As a behind-the-scenes operation by British diplomats charged with negotiating a release for the soldiers started, tension spread across the city, where 8,500 British troops are based. A British army tank was surrounded. In a clear demonstration that the holding of the soldiers would not be tolerated, tanks moved quickly to encircle the police station. Amid the confusion, a crowd initially of about a dozen, which later swelled to hundreds, soon surrounded the tanks. Some said it was because the news had spread that British soldiers had been responsible for the death of an Iraqi policeman. One witness said Iraqis were driving through the streets with loudhailers demanding that the soldiers should be kept in the police station, and then jailed. .... Then, just before midday, a solution of sorts appeared to have been found. Reports coming out of Basra described how up to ten British tanks, possibly Challenger 2 Main Battle Tanks, possibly Warrior Infantry Fighting Vehicles, had stormed the jail where the two men were being held. Witnesses said that they had smashed down a wall to gain entry. The operation was said to be backed up by helicopters. The witnesses said that up to 150 prisoners took the opportunity to escape through the wall in the confusion. The British military action was condemned as "barbaric, savage and irresponsible" by Mohammed al-Waili, the governor of the province. "A British force of more than 10 tanks backed by helicopters attacked the central jail and destroyed it. This is an irresponsible act," the governor said. The Ministry of Defence in London confirmed that the soldiers had been released, but said that had been achieved by "negotiation". Its explanation is unlikely to assuage the anger on the streets of the southern Iraqi city, which has so far been relatively calm compared with the daily violence that has scarred much of the rest of the country. je vous conseille d'alle voir l'image suivante, histoire de vous faire une idée http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia ... 03490a.jpg |
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| Auteur : | Merlock [ Mar 20 Sep 2005, 13:31 ] |
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C'est étonnant ce genre d'image dans un pays où tout va si bien... |
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| Auteur : | Valérian [ Mar 20 Sep 2005, 14:30 ] |
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Vous voyez quoi sur l'image ? Ce qui dépasse du truc en flamme ressemble à une paire de jambe ! |
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| Auteur : | Merlock [ Mar 20 Sep 2005, 14:42 ] |
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Oui, c'est bien un type en train de brûler, basculant sur le (ou du) toit d'un véhicule blindé... |
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| Auteur : | Merlock [ Mar 20 Sep 2005, 15:17 ] |
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Et là! C'est plus clair ??? http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi ... /img/1.jpg |
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| Auteur : | Didi [ Mar 20 Sep 2005, 17:01 ] |
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C'est quoi leur véhicule aux britanniques déjà ? |
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| Auteur : | mad [ Mar 20 Sep 2005, 18:16 ] |
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Le Warrior je crois, le blidage était largement suffisant pour les flammes, mais ils n'avait probablement pas laissé les écoutilles fermées. |
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| Auteur : | mad [ Mar 20 Sep 2005, 22:47 ] |
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mad a écrit
c'était le 7 septembre 2004, il y a un peu plus d'un an. maitenant : 1898. |
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| Auteur : | exo no log [ Mer 21 Sep 2005, 09:04 ] |
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ça va, ils n'ont pas atteint la vitesse de croisière du vietnam... d'un autre côté, l'ampleur du conflit est moindre (même si les dépenses sont supérieures). |
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| Auteur : | mad [ Mer 21 Sep 2005, 13:50 ] |
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Nan, les dépenses sont pas supérieure. par contre, les profits de KBR oui |
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| Auteur : | ZedroS [ Mer 21 Sep 2005, 14:40 ] |
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Vous avez des sources pour ces histoires de dépenses ? Il me semble bien qu'elles se rapprochaient des montants du vietnam et avaient déjà dépassé celles de la guerre de corée (en dollars constants bien sur). |
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| Auteur : | Merlock [ Jeu 22 Sep 2005, 16:39 ] |
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C'est pas en Irak, mais c'est lié: http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/etranger ... S9897.html Le Nouvel observateur a écrit ETATS-UNIS
Une vague de suicides au sein de la NSA ? NOUVELOBS.COM | 22.09.05 | 10:01 Le taux de suicide du personnels de la National security agency (NSA) inquiète l'agence, selon un message interne confidentiel révélé mercredi soir. Le taux de suicide du personnels de l'une des grandes agences américaines de renseignement, la National security agency (NSA) inquiète l'agence, selon un message interne confidentiel de la NSA révélé mercredi 22 septembre au soir à Paris par un spécialiste français du renseignement. La copie d'un message du directeur de la NSA diffusé, selon Guillaume Dasquié, sur le réseau interne très protégé de la NSA en février 2005 après le suicide d'un cadre de l'agence a été dévoilé par cet auteur d'une série d'ouvrages sur le renseignement et le terrorisme, sur la chaîne d'informations i-TELE. Augmentation du travail depuis le11 septembre A l'intention des cadres de la NSA, dépendant du Pentagone, ce message, daté du 13 février, est signé du général Michael Hayden, qui depuis est adjoint de John Negroponte le directeur du renseignement national américain (DNI). L'augmentation de la quantité de travail demandée aux cadres de la NSA depuis le 11 septembre 2001 et le stress sont reconnus par le général Hayden, dans ce message de deux pages, comme facteurs pouvant développer des "problèmes personnels des individus au point qu'ils puissent envisager le suicide comme une solution". "Prendre soin de notre personnel" Le directeur de la NSA met en avant le fait que "certains croient de manière erronée que rechercher un conseil pour des problèmes personnels peut compromettre leur habilitation de sécurité", alors que selon ce dernier "prendre soin de notre personnel est une responsabilité fondamentale" des dirigeants et des cadres de l'agence. "Nous devons donner l'exemple, chacun doit se sentir concerné et faire attention aux autres", conclut-il. Plusieurs dizaines de milliers d'hommes et de femmes travaillent pour la NSA et interceptent chaque jours des millions de messages électroniques et de communications téléphoniques. |
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| Auteur : | mad [ Jeu 22 Sep 2005, 18:04 ] |
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J'imagine bien : je fait les Trois Huits, mes heures sups ne sont pas payés, et mon chef me parle de patriotisme quand je lui demande si elles le serons, ma femme m'engeule quand je rentre en retard, et commence à se poser des questions sur ces heures sups non-payés. il y'a un psy au bout du couloir, mais si je vais le voir, je perd mon job. Chouette comme vie non? |
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| Auteur : | ZedroS [ Ven 23 Sep 2005, 21:48 ] |
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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005- ... 534621.htm Citer US soldiers kill deputy mayor, two police officers in northern Iraq
www.chinaview.cn 2005-09-23 23:10:51 TIKRIT, Iraq, Sept. 23 (Xinhuanet) -- A deputy mayor of the Iraqi town of Dhuluiyah, some 100 km north of Baghdad, and two police officers were killed by US forces there on Friday, local policeand witnesses said. "A group of US soldiers stormed the house of Brigadier Jabar Atiyah Saud, the deputy mayor of Dhuluiyah and dragged him out of his house before they shot him several bullets in his head," asource from the Joint Coordination Center in Tikrit told Xinhua on condition of anonymity. Meanwhile, the US soldiers also killed two local police officers, Captain Amir Yousif and the 1st Lt. Jasim Khalaf, the source added. The US troops have sealed off the town of Dhuluiyah since Tuesday, imposing curfew and preventing people from leaving their homes as US snipers deployed on roofs of high buildings, local residents told Xinhua by telephone. "The US soldiers shot the drinking water containers above houses and many families are suffering from shortage in watersupplies," a local resident, Ammar al-Jubouri said. The wounded people or even deaths were not allowed to shift to the medical center outside the town, Jubouri said. On Wednesday, the US troops had detained the police chief of the town and hundreds of people, including dozens of policemen, after insurgents in Dhuluiyah attacked a convoy of trucks carrying military supplies for the US troops. The attack damaged three trucks in the convoy guarded by the US troops and killed their three drivers, probably Turkish nationals, According to the source. C'est bizarre ce n'est pas sur tous mes médias. Des relents de Vietnam peut être ? |
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| Auteur : | ZedroS [ Ven 23 Sep 2005, 22:13 ] |
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http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/09/23/01 ... 153&tid=17 http://www.rsf.org/ |
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| Auteur : | ZedroS [ Ven 23 Sep 2005, 22:48 ] |
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http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=15084 |
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